Sometimes it is easier to write about spiritual stuff when it is personal while “talking” to another. One explains it a lot better than if it is a blog or writing in book-style. Writing in conversational-style makes it up close and personal. 

This “speak thinking” anomaly that I discovered for myself that made it easy for me to silent my mind instantly and then being able to discover the other hidden mind spaces in me was an immediate shift of possibilities for me. The advent of the silent mind in oneself is so easy to bring about and how it will solve all the problems of psychological thinking and make it easy to bring on the Samadhi state of mind was not taken quickly enough through the ages is wonder to me. The mantra was used to stop frontline verbal-thinking to bring on the silent mind, but meditation though very necessary has a limitation in that it confines you to a place. What happens when you are up and about your daily activities? This is where seeing the anomaly in verbal-thinking is important as then you can carry the meditative process and the silent mind anywhere and at any time.

There is 2 of you in yourself: the personality you know so well and the other: your true Self is hidden behind all the noise of personality and the frontline verbal-thinking process. Stopping verbal-thinking will bring on the silent mind and help you find the other hidden mind spaces and eventually experience Samadhi.

Mysticism has always been this thing explained via metaphors, mythology and storytelling. I wondered if there were such other anomalies for the body that can be used so we have a tangible process to replace the mystical in us. It is not mystical anymore when all things are known of how it works. This way it is accessible to everybody with no boundaries of society and religion and culture and rituals to make it exclusive. So I came across the Polyvagal Theory by Stephen Porges PhD, a neuroscientist that discovered how the vagus nerve connected to all our organs had a feedback relationship with the brain and controlled our emotions; whose spectrum was Samadhi at one end and the chaotic fight and flight process at the other. So one now has a tangible mind-body control from science that can replace the mystical in oneself.  With the advent of the silent mind, we need to get to mind-body-Universal-mind. So with science and its discoveries, the whole process becomes universal and accessible to everybody. With the polyvagal theory, you will see why yoga was created, why silence in mind is important as a realtime process by seeing this anomaly in frontline verbal-thinking, what meditation can do for you and why it works etc. Spirituality without borders, the future.

In conversation with Universal Minds:

1. SIRI
2. I think this whole process of finding the final state of Samadhi is a lot easier to do if one can understand what thinking really is. This site had mentioned removing time from the mind and I guess thinking is that time in mind. Thoughts separated by a quiet space in between thoughts. If you can find a really easy way to stop thinking then you are already in the final stages of Samadhi. You notice in meditation a mantra is really a distracting to your mind away from thinking so it becomes silent. But look at the thinking process itself – it is with time the creator of illusions or lies in the mind. Patanjali wants us to get rid of this thinking so when in silence in mind you can see the real thing. Tell me if I am wrong but this is the gist of it right. There is a Truth in the lies in me, stop the lies created by thinking and the Truth or reality shows itself. Remove the lies and the Truth is literally staring you in the face.
   So here is the gem in all of this: what really is thinking. If I can find just what the source of thinking is or to see its process clearly then I won’t need that mantra or to sit in a corner of a room cross-legged to be silent in mind and void of thoughts.
   I need to be in that meditative silent state of mind in realtime while I am up and about my daily activities, completely silent in mind whenever I want to.
   So what is thinking? There are different types of thinking.
   -You notice that there is a kind of pictorial thinking like in daydreaming. Just watching images pass your mind. You will notice that you cannot interact with these images and change them or spin them in images into an idea.
   -There is a different type of thinking which I call self-talk thinking. I call it “speak thinking”. This type of thinking is very flexible and is also responsible for spinning an idea in the idea. It creates all the illusions and lies in your mind. I think this is the type of thinking that Patanjali wants to do away with to you can get to that quiet Samadhi space in mind so you can see reality for what it is and also what your true self is and its relation to the whole universe. Not just see it in mind as an idea but actually to be in that samadhi space and become one with it. What if I told you that this self-talk thinking is sound- first type of thinking. For you to think at all you need to self-talk what you want to think and if you don’t you cannot think at all. The brain needs to hear what you are thinking for it to process what you are thinking. If it does not hear you via silent self-talk then it does not know what you are thinking and it cannot process your thoughts. This is an anomaly in us that self-talk is wired up to the thinking process. The movements in the vocal cords are minute and the brain needs to hear what you are thinking to know what you are thinking. You can try it now: think something and see if you have to self-talk it too for you to be able to think at all. So you can see how you can silent your mind immediately if you want too – just break the link and do not also silently speak what you are thinking. You can now see why you use a mantra during cross-legged meditation – to distract you from your thinking.
   – you will almost immediately find your mind in the quiet zone if you stop self-talking your thinking. This quiet state is easy to maintain because of the link between self-talk and thinking. Self-talk is a physical process which is easier to control like raising your arm rather than concentrating on an intangible process of the mind like thinking to stop thinking. Don’t self-talk thinking is not allowing your mind to hear your thoughts then it has nothing to process.
   – In time and the longer, I spend in this quiet space I also found my mind had reverted to a kind of intuitive-stream-thinking mode and me to a listening mode only. This is only a receiving space. I cannot manipulate the information I get from this entity that I am communicating with. I can ask a question and get an answer via intention in mind. There is a sense of knowing in this space and everything seems true. I think it is an evolutionary space. It is quiet and peaceful. Hence you want to stay in it longer. I think it is an evolutionary space. I seem to develop certain “powers” the longer I stay in this space. As time goes by I seem to b able to communicate with my background noise. I understand what it is saying through tonal-modulations. I wonder what new powers I will develop with time the longer I stay in this newly discovered space in my mind.
   I think I found the last place in Samadhi by just knowing what the process of thinking was all about – self-talk first if not the brain will not know what you are thinking. Pictorial thinking in time will also disappear in this space the longer you spend in it and you will end up staring at your true self when all else is gone.
   • MARCH 19, 2019 AT 11:18 AM
   • DONDEG
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   • Dear Siri
     Thank you for your insightful comments. It is very kind of you and adds very much. The distinction between the image and self-talk aspects of thinking is very useful and I think your conclusions are generally correct.
     The only point I would make in addition is: what is the source of the images and self-talk? The answer is these stem from the deeper unconscious layers of the mind. They are hidden movements that give rise to the movements in the mind of which we are conscious, i.e. the images and self-talk. Don’t forget Patanjali points out the need to get to these deeper levels to “burn the seeds of the kleshas and samskaras” so as to allow the mind to stay in the quiet (nirodha) state for as long as it wishes.
     Other than that point, I think your insights are very valuable. Thanks for reaching out and adding them here. 
   • Best wishes, Don
     • MARCH 19, 2019 AT 1:03 PM
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     • SIRI
     • Hi, Thank you for your feedback. Much appreciated and this idea of self-talk thinking was difficult to get across to busy minds. I think thinking is the culprit that we need to control.
       Thinking is also responsible for the Kleshas (mental states) and Samskaras (patterns) and notice that when we stop thinking and be it in a mechanical way half the battle is won with the patterns created by the mind. Some of the Kleshas are inherently build in into our psyche and to keep thinking off the mind (apart from just using them for practical purposes) will help subdue them and not allow them to keep rising and taking one further away from Nirodha. I am not used to the Sanskrit terms and hence had to look them up, and have come to most of my discoveries through observation and with the help of websites like yours. I see that the state of Nirodha is very much like that space one experiences when all thinking ceases yet the resultant state of being is very much alive and is an interactive space with a kind of intuitive form of thinking. I think (observe) the mind space is evolutionary and at times can be completely silent. This 2nd mind is a long way away from the mind that we know.
       • MARCH 19, 2019 AT 10:16 PM
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4. CHRIS
5. Absolutely thrilling write-up, made me excited to practice again. Toast!
   • DECEMBER 1, 2019 AT 5:42 PM
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   •  https://dondeg.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/patanjalis-ten-types-of-samadhi/comment-page-1/#comment-4133 
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   • 2 December 2019
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What is a Universal Mind?

No Religion. 

No Form.

No rituals.

Using personality only as a minor repository.

Knowing the True-Self.

Working off the repository of the Universal Mind.

Natural Law is the baseline of the Truth of things

There are different types of thinking: verbal thinking, pictorial thinking and intuitive thinking.

The frontline of thinking is verbal thinking. It is the self-talk-thinking process. It is chaotic and noisy and spins the ideas and turns observations into a lie and is the driving process for the creative force.

The cityscape, chaos and noisy, is a reflection of the mind as it is made from the Lie in us.

Stop verbal thinking to bring on the silent mind. Access other mind spaces in the silent mind.

 Understanding and seeing and experiencing and working off other mind-spaces in existence. 

How far and deep into silence can the mind go while trying to access the repository of the Universal Mind.

There are 2-minds-speaking in us: Duality: the personality mind is illusionary and subjective, and the Universal Mind is our true self. 

 The mind-body-universal mind as one entity.

Importance of science in making the mystical mainstream.

Mind-spaces. 

Body-polyvagal-control.

Universal-mind-repository.

 Mind-spaces -Body-polyvagal-control -Universal-mind-repository: all one and connected to each other.

 The intangible in us has found a tangible side to itself and one can see how it is all connected via the control of the vagus nerve.

 I think one has got to go beyond the mind spaces and ritual practices that create these spiritual states. Just feeling good and calm after these practices is not enough, I think. There is something beyond this that has to be attained. I don’t know what the full potential of all of this is going to be but when personality and ego disappear and the lower self stops working altogether then the TRUE SELF emerges and you are now the Universal Mind itself and when the Universal Mind itself stops being an idea in you – then you are truly liberated and enlightened and one with the Universe.  This is taking the journey to its true end but in the meantime, while we go about our daily activities how can we use the journey and its discoveries from our minds.

Perhaps this is it – to have better control over the mind and body and working efficiently with it. There is a sense of “Godliness” at the end of the silent mind spaces. There is a kind of sense of knowing and one can have a conversation with this entity via intention in mind but I don’t know the source of this sense of knowing. The mind can go up and down this spectrum of thinking mind spaces once the discoveries are made. Verbal thinking and spinning ideas in the chaotic frontline of thinking or resting and observing and being aware in the more silent mind space and at the end of it to be in conversation with intention in mind with perhaps the repository of the Universal Mind and bring back what’s “new” to the frontline thinking mind and spinning and working things out and adding new ideas to what already exists via the creative process. Creating a reality that is ever-changing with the “new” in you from the repository of the Universe where everything already exists and manifested only with an intention in mind. What possible other higher purpose can there be but to live in tandem with the natural laws of the Universe and be as safe as ONE with everything.

Some of our inventors have used these other mind spaces.

When one does not see the connection with the whole and only live off the chaotic frontline thinking and personality and the subjective mind which is limited then one is already beginning to see the consequences in our subjective reality of this and that, and limited insight of personality and borders. There is a duality in us that is in existence: of personality and subjectivity that is disconnected from everything. And our true Self by finding those mind spaces and thinking off the True-Self of conscious awareness and the repository of the Universal Mind. I think there cannot be a better reason for attempting to go on a journey to the ends of the mind in search of the TRUTH.

Duality: finding your other mind, the Universal Mind that is only consciously aware of everything.

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Mind and body integration via the polyvagal theory. If you see things clearly then one does not “suffer” as much as it keeps the vagus tone in balance. The Polyvagal Theory was put forward by Stephen Porges in 2011. It is a very recent concept that was put together by observation. If you put the concept of the mind together with this theory and the reaction of the body to “trauma” of different intensities by its surroundings one might think that the vagus nerve was the source of initiating “suffering”. Is this the “suffering” that Buddha had talked about in Buddhism. You can see why yoga and meditation were initiated as practices to only calm and maintain a balance in the vagal tone? Is just seeing this enough to control “trauma” to the mind. Polyvagal Theory where science and mysticism come together after years of metaphors and storytelling were used to explain the same thing. 

Jiddu Krishnamurti: “In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except yourself.” 

(A Personal Mandala)

27 Nov 2019

I think our frontline process of thinking is not fit for purpose. It is limited by personality, subjectivity and experience. The verbal-thinking mind is not capable of finding anything new because its repository is knowledge and is of what is already known. One’s mind needs to find other mind spaces that can work faster and more efficiently and more truthful than our present frontline thinking process.

The reason why we are still skirting around the periphery of all our problems in society, in general, is because we have not seen this solution in us which, once seen, and then experienced with a simple procedure in the mind, will overnight revolutionise one whole state of being. 

The reason people have not experienced this is because they are not shown this final solution, as if they are saving it for another day, and yet they could have made it easy for us and gave it to us from the day they discovered it, many thousands of years ago. But they rather spiralled around the Truth of things, perhaps waiting for the moment when the time was right as if we have had to experience the rest of it until the final solution is shown to us and I am going to suggest to you what this might be. It will allow oneself to anchor to this central Truth and one will find that all explanations, whatever it is, will come off and be answered by this state of “being” in our minds. This is a very tangible process. It is something that you can “touch”. It is the end of the spiral of the discovery of our true self.

Notice that in the past, we have always centred on personality, an individual, to give us this Truth in us. We go to Church, the temples and other places of worship and it has always been about that person at the helm. So you keep focused on a human being and try and understand why is he or she is special and try and follow what they do and we worship in that way. What we don’t realise is that those who we worship as special really have found what we already naturally have in us but have yet to implement it in ourselves. The state of being of Jesus and the Buddha’s before us have already discovered this gateway beyond the mind and remained in this new mind of theirs and they spoke confidently about what the Truth of things is really all about. 

The theory of everything need not be proven to us but can be felt and experienced in us if our mind is centred a certain way. To change the way we think and I don’t mean all this chit chat about thinking, no; it is a physical phenomenon on the way the mind needs to move away from the place where it is at the moment and find a new place to think from. This mind space is the centre of the world in us and it is connected to the centre of the physical Universe from where we all came from. If one is askew from it, just slightly off centre from the universe then we tend to think we see it and know it and experience this in our creative process with endless processes trying to find this thing you know you can sense but just cannot get to it. 

So really all art is really this “suffering” of the creative process to try and get to it and yet always falling short of the centre. One manifestation after another and thinking as to how to capture that final discovery; not that not this, neti neti (Neti neti, meaning, “Not this, not this”, is the method of Vedic analysis of negation) and because we are looking at things in a somewhat blurred vision. We are looking at it via personality. We are not looking at it via the Cosmic mind and we have a Cosmic mind.

We come with 2 personalities. One is our experiential personality which is subjective (why do you think politicians struggle to get it right for us), and the another is also a way of thinking by just being aware of the “”Truth of Things” via conscious awareness.

So does one want to look at things in your life via a Lie in You from your subjective personality or just being aware of that which is true and which will always be true and unchanging?

We need to get here where others have been and done some great things with that space in their minds. We need to get there, like Edison of the light bulb:

You can see others have been to that special place in your mind. It is not as if it does not exist. A place where all is True. You find your solutions there and then bring them back to your frontline of thinking and sort your problems out; invent from the “Truth if Things; from the repository of the Universe were everything already exists. Frontline thinking and the creative process does not have to be, I know something is there but not sure what it is, type of creative process but rather see it directly as a fact of existence or a probability possibility and not something you made up with your subjective personality-driven mind. Let’s face it solutions comes from the Truth and not from the limitations of thinking and the personality but personality and thinking can use elements off the Truth of Things, off the repository of the Universe, to manifest possibilities to the living space and to society that will make our stay here on Earth a comfortable stay vacation for all of us.

So, first, get off the frontline of thinking to find other mind spaces. One needs to discover what else is there in other mind spaces in our minds. 

The most important thing one needs to do is to get off the frontline of thinking so you know that there are other mind spaces in existence: stop verbal thinking.

You will find that as soon as you stop verbalising your thoughts (verbal thinking or “speak thinking”) other mind spaces and thinking processes will start to show up and now you can see them clearly. Meditation will help you here to stop verbal thinking by using a mantra BUT you can stop verbalising your thoughts anytime while going about your daily activities if you see this anomaly in you that in verbal thinking you have to simultaneously silently speak what you want to think for you to think at all. Verbal Thinking is really also, like speaking aloud, sound first. 

If you see this anomaly in you and experience it; the slight fluttering of the vocal cords of what you are thinking and that gentle vibration in your chest cavity, then use that feeling to stop verbal thinking in its tracts. The mind then comes off the edge of noise and chaos and falls into silence in mind. This is what they are not telling you that meditation and the mantra are to distract you from verbal thinking and hence your thoughts. The use of the mantra and the anomaly with the vocal cords are 2 gates one can use to access the silent mind. The mantra circles off the periphery and comes in as a distracting tool to stop verbal thinking BUT the anomaly in verbal thinking is the direct source of the process of verbal thinking. So you deal with it directly to stop verbal thinking and to bring on a silent mind. 

Meditation in a quiet spot, eyes shut, with a mantra and in the comfort of a warm corner of a room is one way to stop verbal thinking and the reminder of the flutter of the vocal cords is a way to stop verbal thinking, anywhere anytime, walking, talking etc. Meditation will show you how to get there initially and see the mind spaces and then when “awake” the anomaly in verbal thinking can help you stay quiet in mind all day long. 

Imagine watching the vastness of the Himalayas in springtime with conscious awareness only and not a single thought is allowed to enter the mind all day long or looking at the distant horizon of the ocean with no chatter in mind and being able to have full control over your thoughts and just be in conscious awareness. Just observation and no thinking and the magic of having control over the no thinking process.

Separate out the different thinking processes so you can see them better:

When the mind is in silence and with time the mind spaces start to open up to you:

And you will never be the same again:

And finally, a quote from OSHO about “If you want to experience Godliness”:

“And if you want to experience Godliness – just a little bit of meditation, a little bit of becoming thoughtless and remaining aware. When your awareness is there and thoughts start dropping like leaves in the fall, and when there is only awareness and there is not a single thought there, you will have the taste, the very taste on your tongue, of what I am saying. And unless you have tasted it, don’t believe me; don’t believe anyone, because belief can become a barrier. You may become satisfied with the belief, and you may never try”. 

18 November 2019.

We use meditation to stop the verbal thinking mind and to access the silent mind. We deal with pictorial thinking and intuitive thinking until they too disappear. What is left is this streaming subtle “sense of knowing” and soon with time you find that one can have a conversation with this streaming energy with an intention in mind. Actually to get to this stage of the extended mind is relatively easy especially when you use the anomaly in verbal thinking where you have to silently speak what you are thinking if you want to think at all. Intentionally stop the sub-vocal speech and you find you cannot now think. What happens then is the advent of the silent mind. Then it is just 3 stops away to the sense of knowing state of mind. In fact, it runs on auto-pilot with the advent of the silent mind with verbal thinking now shut down and with no subtle movement in your vocal cords to mimic your thinking. But what comes after this in the extended mind?

 It is here when they tell you that it is important you find a Guru to show you that is until you find Sri Aurobindo with his Ashram in Pondicherry.   Sraddhalu Ranade in the video above is part of the Aurobindo Ashram and he explains the overmind and the supermind (like a scientist can as he is one) as subtle energy forms of the mind that can be accessed where it finally couples with the mind and body to create a “new” you and where you finally find your TRUE SELF and become one with all.

What else is there? Nothing. No-Mind. Just Being, and when you have experienced your extended mind and you come back to the material world of manifestations and illusions as a “new” you and now seeing the duality in you clearly, the illusion of the personality and the True Self of the cosmic mind: you now gradually help create a new world order in whatever forms you manifest from the ether.

In this short video,  Sraddhalu Ranade describes meditation and breathing and especially interesting is that you are not only breathing oxygen but also the energy from the ether and how deep breathing helps to balance the body and calm the mind:

Meditation and Breath

Evolution of the thinking mind:

A quote from OSHO about “If you want to experience Godliness”:

“And if you want to experience Godliness – just a little bit of meditation, a little bit of becoming thoughtless and remaining aware. When your awareness is there and thoughts start dropping like leaves in the fall, and when there is only awareness and there is not a single thought there, you will have the taste, the very taste on your tongue, of what I am saying. And unless you have tasted it, don’t believe me; don’t believe anyone, because belief can become a barrier. You may become satisfied with the belief, and you may never try”.

You take your mind as far as it can go on your own in the quiet of your own mind and your own home with all the comforts and minimal distractions,  as everything is just in front of you. It’s simple: stop “verbal thinking” and it will stop frontline thinking instantly. With the advent of the silent mind take it as far as it will go by just remaining silent in mind and the mind does the rest. It will carry you along to the end of itself. You only have to maintain that silence by keeping your thoughts away. Initially, it might be distracting but when that silence sets in and you start to “experience that Godliness” it gets a lot easier. I am not sure what OSHO meant by “Godliness”, perhaps it is the deep sense of silence and nothingness in the mind but there is a “sense of knowing” in existence in that silence which can seem to be a kind of “divine thinking” and one can have a conversation with this divine thinking with an intention in mind as a question and replies come with this “sense of knowing”. You will know when you get there. Exploring the Extended Mind is a collaboration and one puts it out there and it gets tested and we carry everybody along with this collaboration. Once mind spaces have been explored and experienced then one can work from any of them, as they all function differently, and the range is from the interactive frontline “verbal thinking” of the creative process to the super silent “sense of knowing” divine thinking, supermind. Now you know where the idea for Superman came from.

8 November 2019

Recently I was asked to explain “about” my artwork after a visit to my website siriperera.com. Content can be a struggle at times to explain as they tend to filter in with time and is ever-evolving. I remember a group visit to John Hoyland’s studio in London and I asked him how he gets his titles for his abstract work, and he said he wrote them in a book as the titles pop-up in his mind. His titles must come to him, like magic, and he would then paint around them? I remember he showed us a painting called “Mind Horizons” with his circular pourings, but real and tangible in the centre of the canvas and fuzzy at the edges. It was a huge painting that was side to side of his large studio and to the ceiling. He stood both ends of the canvas on a couple of paint tubs and held it for us to admire. I thought the title fitted well with the image.

He showed me his sketchbook, and they were mostly abstracted images of a landscape perhaps he was looking at, and I asked him why they were all abstract images, and he said he was trying to capture the essence of what he saw: not nature itself but “an equivalent of it”. Hoyland had an extended mind like his painting “Mind Horizons”. There was something of the natural in him and how he painted. I also asked him the difficult questions as they pop-up in my head: why keep painting when he already had everything discovered done and dusted. He said, he just had too — the urge to create.

I have seen very successful artist wonder in their later years if their work needed a title or not or even a content as the image itself was sufficient. The Truth has no name or image in mind, but you will know it when a painting stands before you without a narrative in it to distract your mind from embracing its wholeness for what it is as an “equivalent of the natural law of things”. 

So when a visitor asked me to describe my work the reply was:

Hi,

 It is nice of you to comment on my site and work. For me unknowingly art had been a stepping stone to me spending more time looking at my mind. Art had been a dialogue between my mind and art and so in its manifestations on canvas, I started to see my mind at work. From this, I discovered “speak thinking” or “verbal thinking” and realised that the “new” in art is almost impossible to come too from the verbal thinking mind as it only deals with itself and its past and the known. (“Speak Thinking” is where one has to silently speak what one is thinking for one to think at all).

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/05/visual-images-often-intrude-on-verbal-thinking-study-says/

Perhaps you can check to see if this is true or not because if you can see this then transformation of the mind is easy with the advent of the silent mind. Transformation in the sense that one can access other mind spaces where the “new” in oneself might be able to show itself. So it comes back full circle to the process of making art and the mind.

Interesting you write to me now as I just finished the redrafting of this piece on “mind spaces” and the thinking process: “Can we start a conversation with Brahman” (or the Universal Mind/Cosmic Mind). Just to show you how art showed me how my mind works and using the different mind spaces as a baseline to work from:

 Most of the artwork here you see if from me falling off the edge of the frontline of thinking which is the chaotic noisy verbal thinking mind and into the other silent mind spaces to work from. At the time I was chasing this blindly but being true to myself and to what I discovered by the process of making art, I documented them, and only perhaps now looking back I see what I have done for myself: made art and to a certain extent transformed my mind with it by having a dialog with the process of making art. 

From reality to abstraction:

Capturing the shadow:

Capturing the shadow collection:

Falling off the edge of perception:

 Art, A Sacred Space:

6th November 2019

It is interesting that you ask this question. Nepal is mainly Buddhist. When I visited the country in the ’80s I was surprised to see Buddha’s statue depicted as Hindu idols would be depicted like a Buddha’s statue having many hands. So when I was at the Nepali embassy in India I asked why is Buddha depicted in such a way even in Buddhist temples. So the answer was that in the time of Buddha there was no Buddhism as such as all was the same. It was all Hinduism I guess. But it separated later because the thinking was different.

It is interesting to see how people can separate and become a different entity by just their thoughts. Then they start to behave differently and dress differently and so on.

But the question is not that there are 2 different types of people created by different thinking BUT is there 2 different people in ONE body.

Just like the 2 different people were created by thinking you do the same to yourself to create 2 different people in yourself.

Why and how you do this is also because of the way you think. You create a personality that is a construct in your mind by what is called verbal thinking. First, let me describe what verbal thinking is then you can see why it is separate from other forms of thinking you have in your mind. Verbal thinking is where you have to silently speak what you are thinking for you to have to think at all. It is the thinking that creates the constructs that you make in your mind that then gets incorporated into personality. A construct is when you take an experience or an observation and then turn into something else, like an idea in you or a new thing in you that you then add into your personality to build up a you in YOU. Verbal thinking is also behind the creative force of ideas. It can be considered the frontline of the thinking process. But what is interesting to know here is verbal thinking only creates illusions in you. It takes a fact and turns it into a construct or an illusion. So this personality in you is the one person in your body who is made up not from facts but of ideas or illusions created by the self-talk thinking mind.

Then through the ages the mystics and Buddha and Krishna all part of Nepal’s great culture at a time were all one and knowing that personality was only a construct and a lie in them – they set out to find their TRUE self.

They had to do it by following the trail of the thinking process. So who am I. What is my true self? In the presence of their personality which is asking the question, who am I, they did notice that there was another watching and being aware of the question asked, who am I. If there is still another watching when the personality is asking who am I – then I cannot be that which I am observing at the present moment which is personality me.

So you chase that other – this awareness which is looking with you – with your mind and your thinking as that is all you have to discover this other that is looking with you.

So they came up with meditation. They used meditation and the mantra to get rid of verbal thinking. They must have realised that they need to stop this process that is creating all these constructs in their mind and the process of meditation was the answer. See how meditation stops verbal-thinking which is a process that creates your thoughts: it uses the mantra to distract you from silently speaking what you are thinking and in this way it stops you verbalising your thoughts. Remember that in verbal thinking you must silently speak (notice movement in your vocal cords) what you want to think for you to have to think at all. This is an anomaly in you and without verbalising what you want to think you just cannot think.

So they discovered that this brought them into the state of the silent mind, with verbal thinking kicked into the long grass for now when it is not needed. In the silent mind with all the thoughts of the other you stopped in its tracks temporarily they realised that that sense of awareness was still present and watching. This other you, was still there watching with you. So they chased it down the mind with the silent intuitive thinking to meet and greet the other you: your True Self, this awareness that is the other you which is a sliver of the great Brahman or the Cosmic Mind of nature: The Other You. Watching Everything. Conscious Awareness: your True Self with a repository/memory of its own. So you are 2 persons in one body with 2-minds -speaking and watching each other.

The big picture of how to find the other you: leave behind your self-talk thinking mind to find your True Self.